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==The Tao and contraction cycles==
==The Tao and contraction cycles==


=====Question:=====
'''Question:'''


Your saying that "this is the 11th time" rang a bell for me - in one of the latest articles on the Spiritual School of Ascension site, it also mentions that there have been previous times when Creation did not return properly in the "inbreath of the Creator", and parts were left behind (they say "twelve or more times", but its the same principle, I guess).  
Your saying that "this is the 11th time" rang a bell for me - in one of the latest articles on the Spiritual School of Ascension site, it also mentions that there have been previous times when Creation did not return properly in the "inbreath of the Creator", and parts were left behind (they say "twelve or more times", but its the same principle, I guess).  
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"So what has occurred in the Tao to create consumption? It appears that groups and groups of creators have been left behind in 12 or more contraction cycles, and these creators have continued to exist between cycles, and in order to do so have to consume creations to have enough chi to continue to exist without the chi of the Tao. The Tao provides chi to all creators and creations, except between contraction cycles. Somehow that which was left behind forgot to return home and fell into the pattern of consuming in order to save chi for between the cycles to survive. Those creations or parts of creations that are consumed then fall into the same forgetfulness as those who are lost, creating increasing numbers of lost creators that consume; to a point that if it is not rectified, the Tao may be consumed to death in five or less cycles ahead. So the Tao of the future is working back in time to rectify a circumstance that went unnoticed until it threatened all of existence."  
"So what has occurred in the Tao to create consumption? It appears that groups and groups of creators have been left behind in 12 or more contraction cycles, and these creators have continued to exist between cycles, and in order to do so have to consume creations to have enough chi to continue to exist without the chi of the Tao. The Tao provides chi to all creators and creations, except between contraction cycles. Somehow that which was left behind forgot to return home and fell into the pattern of consuming in order to save chi for between the cycles to survive. Those creations or parts of creations that are consumed then fall into the same forgetfulness as those who are lost, creating increasing numbers of lost creators that consume; to a point that if it is not rectified, the Tao may be consumed to death in five or less cycles ahead. So the Tao of the future is working back in time to rectify a circumstance that went unnoticed until it threatened all of existence."  


=====Perspective:=====
'''Perspective:'''


Even the Tao is consciousness--It is just a way to place an understandable construct within the understanding of self that is based on the principle of life being born from the physical--this implies that life never existed yet as life itself in a way  
Even the Tao is consciousness. It is just a way to place an understandable construct within the understanding of self that is based on the principle of life being born from the physical. This implies that life never existed yet as life itself in a way  


That is what we found--much cannot be revealed yet as it would cause another construct--so call it the in breath-- which is again a construct that will have to be let go of even forgiveness will assist  
That is what we found. Much cannot be revealed yet as it would cause another construct, so call it the in breath, which is again a construct that will have to be let go of even forgiveness will assist.


Life is--that is has been most graciously expounded on by the work on Tao  
Life is - that is has been most graciously expounded on by the work on Tao  


The School of ascension work with very limited insight as they were specifically misled by an unconscious mind implant system--this was run by an Atlantean called Mila--this then is represented as all kinds of beings presenting "truth" with a lot true--but the spill--the core is always misrepresented  
The School of ascension work with very limited insight as they were specifically misled by an unconscious mind implant system, this was run by an Atlantean called Mila. This then is represented as all kinds of beings presenting "truth" with a lot true, but the spill -the core is always misrepresented  


This was the way organizations were formed to trap the serious seekers in separation--instead of self  
This was the way organizations were formed to trap the serious seekers in separation - instead of self  


That was the reason for Ascension--we even found such heaven where the ascended went to--yet this was removed in one moment--so much for all those that spend lifetimes on these ideas--consciousness interdimensionally are removed in one moment  
That was the reason for Ascension, we even found such heaven where the ascended went to, yet this was removed in one moment. So much for all those that spend lifetimes on these ideas - consciousness interdimensionally is removed in one moment.


Understand that something more is going on than what has ever been revealed-- the secret is Man-- Man is "God"--yet must proof it universally and "power" is not what man understand it to be--it is not spirit, or love or anything ever taught--power cannot be taught  
Understand that something more is going on than what has ever been revealed. The secret is Man - Man is "God", yet must proof it universally and "power" is not what man understand it to be. It is not spirit, or love or anything ever taught. Power cannot be taught.


See--we do not present an answer--we present an way to an answer--but only self honesty will open the door--absolute  
See we do not present an answer, we present an way to an answer, but only self honesty will open the door - absolute.


How do we know--and this is important-- how do we know that the experience of a channel is real or not-- they must either leave the body aware and be tested intensely in all facets and with all beings in creation to establish what is real--there must be no separate conscious, subconscious and unconscious that they may see direct--there may be no "energy " fluctuations--that means--the channel may not get tired --20 hours non stop channeling--beings randomly throughout all "time"--the channel must be able to handle all levels of possession like demons--satan--anything at any time-- the channel must be able to see all direct and be present in each conversation and be able to access anything-any "dimension to investigate the information as real and that must be randomly checked to make sure it is consistent-- the channel must be waked up in the middle of the night and immediately all must be consistent and constant-- the channel must be given illness like aids in one moment at DNA level and transcend it--physical aliment must manifest on the body of the channel and be corrected interdimensionally as prove of self directedness-- the channel when in the dimensions must be faced with all imaginable tests--like disappearing into nothing and bring self together again--and more
How do we know and this is important - how do we know that the experience of a channel is real or not? They must leave the body aware and be tested intensely in all facets and with all beings in creation to establish what is real. There must be no separate conscious, subconscious and unconscious that they may see direct. There may be no "energy " fluctuations - that means: the channel may not get tired - 20 hours non stop channeling, beings randomly throughout all "time". The channel must be able to handle all levels of possession like demons - satan - anything at any time. The channel must be able to see all direct and be present in each conversation and be able to access anything any "dimension" to investigate the information as real and that must be randomly checked to make sure it is consistent. The channel must be woken up in the middle of the night and immediately all must be consistent and constant. The channel must be given illness like aids in one moment at DNA level and transcend it - physical aliment must manifest on the body of the channel and be corrected interdimensionally as prove of self directedness. The channel when in the dimensions must be faced with all imaginable tests, like disappearing into nothing and bring self together again and more.
and more  


This is some tests winged went through before we stared presenting any work--understand what winged experience--I do too--I remain the point that cross-reference--so is there Andrea--we test all the time--so is there others not yet named--all are tested in similar ways--we are very strict--because we are presenting a message that is not acceptable--it had to be proven--It took 18 months of 14-16 hours a day o testing and challenging--we had some that could not pass the tests--because of honesty with self--
This is some tests winged went through before we stared presenting any work. Understand what winged experience - I do too. I remain the point that cross-reference - so is there Andrea - we test all the time and so there are also others not yet named. All are tested in similar ways. We are very strict, because we are presenting a message that is not acceptable. It had to be proven. It took 18 months of 14-16 hours a day of testing and challenging. We had some that could not pass the test because of honesty with self.


so
So we have heard all the excuses of consciousness. Imagine a girl taking on the Universal Mind to find that it deceive - the things we have placed our faith and trust in, and when something deceives - it is confirmed consciousness and thus is removable. Call this the second death, There is such a point. The first death on earth and the second, when one chose consciousness and separation in stead of assistance death again - the end.
we heard all the excuses of consciousness--imagine a girl taking on the Universal Mind to find that it deceive--things we have placed our faith and trust in--and when something deceives--it is confirmed consciousness--and thus is removable--call this the second death--there is such a point--the first death on earth --and the second-- when one chose consciousness and separation in stead of assistance--death again--the end  




This is only so because life does not yet exist as form manifest--even nature is compromised  
This is only so because life does not yet exist as form manifest. Even nature is compromised.


So--some insight in what winged and others went through--In that process the portal and others with abilities--were closed if any form of deceit manifest--yes--we open and close portals in a moment--it is not a gift--it is a placement  
So some insight in what winged and others went through. In that process the portal and others with abilities were closed if any form of deceit manifest. Yes we open and close portals in a moment. It is not a gift, it is a placement.


Much will reveal as we move  
Much will reveal as we move  


be certain-we are no fools  
Be certain, we are no fools.


before a post is done here--we check the being thoroughly--we know when you die, how , why--all is revealed-- so--when we assist--know this--we assist you as ourselves--what we would have liked if we were you and did not yet understand--we assess to give each the best opportunity  
Before a post is done here, we check the being thoroughly. We know when you die, how , why - all is revealed. So when we assist, know this, we assist you as ourselves. What we would have liked if we were you and did not yet understand - we assess to give each the best opportunity.


Obviously--it is not the only way--we know that--we can give you another as well--but it is the most direct way with the least pain and suffering--but know this--all is going to suffer--we allow atrocities to be called life  
Obviously, it is not the only way - we know that. We can give you another as well,but it is the most direct way with the least pain and suffering. But know this, all is going to suffer - we allow atrocities to be called life.


let us have fun on the way


Hope this give some perspective on winged--I dare any channel in the world to come and be tested--even just 3 months and prove that what they present is true--there is not one--they are all system manifestations--we even go into their system when they speak--if we take the system out--the being will die--so--we have to be patient with the BS--and challenge them--forgiveness and self honesty
Hope this give some perspective on winged. I dare any channel in the world to come and be tested, even just 3 months and prove that what they present is true. There is not one. They are all system manifestations. We even go into their system when they speak. If we take the system out the being will die. So we have to be patient with the BS and challenge them - forgiveness and self honesty.
 




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=====Question=====
'''Question'''




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=====Perspective:======
'''Perspective:'''


Realize that within this process of self forgiveness – you are giving you to you, thus gifting you to yourself, and together with self forgiveness applying self corrective application in every moment of breath, in living self honesty, self trust and self expression – to so become self aware of you as ‘who you are’ here as you participate in this world. There are no such thing as ‘special abilities or gifts’ – because it’s not about the abilities or gifts - but who YOU are, in assisting and supporting you to stand one and equal as life so we can stop what we have accepted and allowed to exist within this world as ourselves. Don’t accept/allow you to define ‘who you are’ according to ‘gifts’ / ‘abilities’ as this would be separation.  
Realize that within this process of self forgiveness – you are giving you to you, thus gifting you to yourself, and together with self forgiveness applying self corrective application in every moment of breath, in living self honesty, self trust and self expression – to so become self aware of you as ‘who you are’ here as you participate in this world. There are no such thing as ‘special abilities or gifts’ – because it’s not about the abilities or gifts - but who YOU are, in assisting and supporting you to stand one and equal as life so we can stop what we have accepted and allowed to exist within this world as ourselves. Don’t accept/allow you to define ‘who you are’ according to ‘gifts’ / ‘abilities’ as this would be separation.  
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I suggest you focus on you, in assisting and supporting you within your individual process of stopping the mind, to manifest you as the living expression of life as all as one as equal.
I suggest you focus on you, in assisting and supporting you within your individual process of stopping the mind, to manifest you as the living expression of life as all as one as equal.




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=====Question=====
'''Question'''


I've understood some "vibratory alchemy" things that I was studying since it didn't mean to invoke or invoke spiritual beings. By the way, I talked about some information I understand, it's as if someone remote controlled information to come to me without I ever asked for them. And finally, it don't know such things as white light but there is no one that could preserve me from doing what ever I please but my self so... It's just that I'm a down to earth, educated atheist that is confronted to something that I do not understand If you know anyone who's into stuff called magick, and knows about Aleister Crowley and his concept of "conversation with the holy guardian angel" I would just like to know what comes next. By he way do never forget that I'm a real skeptic and am not even convinced of my own experiences even if I know for sure that they are for real  
I've understood some "vibratory alchemy" things that I was studying since it didn't mean to invoke or invoke spiritual beings. By the way, I talked about some information I understand, it's as if someone remote controlled information to come to me without I ever asked for them. And finally, it don't know such things as white light but there is no one that could preserve me from doing what ever I please but my self so... It's just that I'm a down to earth, educated atheist that is confronted to something that I do not understand If you know anyone who's into stuff called magick, and knows about Aleister Crowley and his concept of "conversation with the holy guardian angel" I would just like to know what comes next. By he way do never forget that I'm a real skeptic and am not even convinced of my own experiences even if I know for sure that they are for real


 
'''Perspective'''
=====Perspective=====




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An unexpected, unpredictable and sudden change has taken place within this existence: The dimensions and dimensional beings no more exists – they are in this moment one and equal as life, their process is done and is no longer part of this process here on earth, therefore – no more ‘individual expression as ‘individual dimensional beings’ exists as all are one and equal as life.  
An unexpected, unpredictable and sudden change has taken place within this existence: The dimensions and dimensional beings no more exists – they are in this moment one and equal as life, their process is done and is no longer part of this process here on earth, therefore – no more ‘individual expression as ‘individual dimensional beings’ exists as all are one and equal as life.  


Thus, all that is in process is what is here within and as this physical manifested universe: The earth, nature, animal kingdom, human beings, planets, stars – even the cup you drink coffee from, your sunglasses, the steering wheel of a car, the wheels of a car – everything that exists within this physical manifested universe is aware – as you are aware – yet in this process together with all to become ‘self aware’ – self aware meaning to realize the responsibility that exists within and as us to stand up and take self responsibility in purifying the nature we have accepted and allowed ourselves to be and become of the mind, in separation, fear, dishonesty and deceit – to stand here in breath within and as self honesty, self trust and self expression to apply ourselves in every moment of breath here, in living practically as all as one as equal as life.  
Thus, all that is in process is what is here within and as this physical manifested universe: The earth, nature, animal kingdom, human beings, planets, stars – even the cup you drink coffee from, your sunglasses, the steering wheel of a car, the wheels of a car – everything that exists within this physical manifested universe is aware – as you are aware – yet in this process
 
Thus, the first application to realise is that that which you touch within this world is very much aware – thus, the interviews are now of that which exists within this world that is communicating their process of becoming self aware – have a look at the interviews:
 
 
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EM9U7FC8DCQ
 
(Interview with a Camera Lens)
 
 
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UUx-4KGNIv8
 
(Interview with a Grain of Sand)
 
 
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5QfBPz_f28
 
(Interview with a Petrol Pump)
 
 
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GN5nbm5Y8JM
 
(Interview with a Pillow)
 
 
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RYQaIn2IhE
 
(Interview with a Panty Liner)
 
 
 
http://desteni.org/a/coffee-cup
 
(Perspective from coffee and cup: Document)
 
 
 
So, if you are communicating with anything other than what you can touch here within this world = you’re in the mind, of the mind – enslaved within and as a system. Instead of living here practically within this world in every moment of breath, applying self honesty, self trust and self expression in assisting and supporting you – to establish oneness and equality as life as you here in taking self responsibility for you as al that you have accepted and allowed you to be and become as the nature of you of the mind in separation, fear and self dishonesty.
 
 
 
Understand that each one of us is responsible for what exists within and as the world – we did this, because we within ourselves accepted and allowed it to continue in this way, because we did not stand up within ourselves as all as one as equal, living the statement of what we will accept and allow and what we will not accept and allow – but continued ignorantly within the seclusion of ‘our own life’, not caring / considering anything/anyone else but ‘our world and our mind’. This world cannot continue as is – thus, it must stop as it’s existing in this moment, as it’s accepted and allowed to exist by all.
 
 
 
And how will each one realize that each one is individually responsible for what exists and how this world exists: Is when each individual human being experience and individually face the nature of themselves within themselves and their world and actually experience the manifested nature they have accepted and allowed themselves to be and become – because each individual human beings’ nature have been inverted into self, to be manifested as an experience of themselves to in such a way see the nature they have become – and there will be much hardship, suffering and pain to come within this world – until human beings finally realize that each one has to stand up and take self responsibility for what they have accepted and allowed within themselves and this world as themselves – so that we will not ever again create, create such an atrocity.


So, if you are communicating with anything other than what you can touch here within this world = you’re in the mind, of the mind – enslaved within and as a system. Instead of living here practically within this world in every moment of breath, applying self honesty, self trust and self expression in assisting and supporting you – to establish oneness and equality as life as you here in taking self responsibility for you as al that you have accepted and allowed you to be and become as the nature of you of the mind in separation, fear and self dishonesty.


Understand that each one of us is responsible for what exists within and as the world – we did this, because we within ourselves accepted and allowed it to continue in this way, because we did not stand up within ourselves as all as one as equal, living the statement of what we will accept and allow and what we will not accept and allow – but continued ignorantly within the seclusion of ‘our own life’, not caring / considering anything/anyone else but ‘our world and our mind’. This world cannot continue as is – thus, it must stop as it’s existing in this moment, as it’s accepted and allowed to exist by all.


And how will each one realize that each one is individually responsible for what exists and how this world exists: Is when each individual human being experience and individually face the nature of themselves within themselves and their world and actually experience the manifested nature they have accepted and allowed themselves to be and become – because each individual human beings’ nature have been inverted into self, to be manifested as an experience of themselves to in such a way see the nature they have become – and there will be much hardship, suffering and pain to come within this world – until human beings finally realize that each one has to stand up and take self responsibility for what they have accepted and allowed within themselves and this world as themselves – so that we will not ever again create, create such an atrocity.  
I would suggest to not have to first go through the experiences before you realize your self responsibility – but to live here practically in this world in every moment of breath and purify the nature you have become of the mind, in separation through focusing on your breath, to apply self forgiveness, to live the practical correction in not accepting/allowing you to participate in behaviors/habits of the mind in ego according to the personality you have defined you as being, to live self honesty, self trust and self expression to stand as all as one as equal as life – to stop what we have done and become within this world, this existence.
 


I would suggest to not have to first go through the experiences before you realize your self responsibility – but to live here practically in this world in every moment of breath and purify the nature you have become of the mind, in separation through focusing on your breath, to apply self forgiveness, to live the practical correction in not accepting/allowing you to participate in behaviors/habits of the mind in ego according to the personality you have defined you as being, to live self honesty, self trust and self expression to stand as all as one as equal as life – to stop what we have done and become within this world, this existence.


Therefore it is not to only believe that ‘no god exists; - but to realize that we are alone within this existence, this world – and we have to stop what we have done, through practical living application in every moment of breath here.
Therefore it is not to only believe that ‘no god exists; - but to realize that we are alone within this existence, this world – and we have to stop what we have done, through practical living application in every moment of breath here.




==Past Lives and seeing the Future==
'''Question:'''
If I sent you a picture of myself to you,would you know about my past lives and my Future?
'''Perspective''':
Don’t require a picture – for you as me is here within and as me. Though understand this: Your past lives is entirely irrelevant to ‘who you are here’ within this moment and is also of no relevance to the experience of you within this world, your world within which you participate. Past lives is what it says: PAST – the interdimensional existence have removed all past-life influences and constructs within human beings – so that all that is required for you to transcend within you is your mind-system design you developed within and as you as what you have come to believe yourself to be, as ‘who you are’ = for this life only. Here’s a forum, discussion topic that will give further perspective:
Question by Forum member (quote): ‘ It just dawned on me....it was mentioned that the reincarnation business pre desteni was all a huge fuck up, to the extent we were all living the same lives over and over and over again. Imagine that!!
So no wonder that when i now have to face myself and all my actions and emotions, feelings, thoughts etc in this life then it is compounded from lots of other lives...no wonder it is hard work! This must be the same for all of us...
Like jack said..just to transcend ONE issue or point if you like would take 100.000 lives 'the old way'. Well..the choice is easy...I'd like it over with now thank you very much.
No wonder it's like an onion...layer upon layer...
All of a sudden I'm not so hard on myself anymore....think we've done pretty good most of us in just a months or so!’
Response as perspective given (quote): ‘That’s how human beings’ experience within the White Light System/Construct was ‘laid out’ in space and time – through multiple and multiple lives – ‘you’ would be scattered – both in past lives and in current life and in future life experiences. Where beings would go life after life after life – ‘learning apparent lessons’, ‘paying (Karma) for previous lives’ mistakes’, ‘searching’ and seeking for themselves…
So – what we did was the following: We stood within and as human beings – then brought all of them, meaning all of each and every single human beings’ past life experiences, current life experiences and also future preprogrammed life experiences, of their current life experience to one singular point within and as human beings: Here.
Therefore bringing everything of each and every single human being, to one singular ‘point’ within and as them – which is: Here – in this moment, in this life experience which they are currently within.
This was done to ‘allocate’ each human being within existence, because ‘parts’ of human beings were ‘scattered’ all over existence!
Why do this: Because when we bring all of human beings to one ‘point’, to one singular ‘point’, which is here, within and as human beings – you’re able to ‘find’ their current ‘allocation’ within existence.
This allocation would be: Who and what this human being, currently in this life have accepted and allowed themselves to become as a mind consciousness structural resonance system – because of and together with all the other previous lives and also future pre-programmed life experiences, still to come, which exist within and as their mind consciousness system placement.
Then discernment: Meaning – what is required within and as this being to ‘remain’ (which is all that they have accepted and allowed themselves to be equal and one with as per mind consciousness systems/constructs which had become the mind consciousness structural resonance system to which they have defined ‘who they are’ within the system) for the necessity of their process of self revelation and self realization as who they really are as life.
That which we knew human beings could not handle or ‘deal with’ – we removed.
See we removed as much as possible within human beings and left as little as possible, for each and every single human being to transcend as they continue and experience themselves within and during their processes.
Therefore: That which currently remain within human beings is all that was/is necessary for them to transcend, is all that they are indeed able to handle and ‘deal with’ to assist and support themselves in birthing themselves as life from the physical as who we really are.
And that’s why this is and will be each and every single human beings’ last life – because all of each and every single human being is here, within them as them as only that which is necessary and required to transcend within and as themselves for self revelation and self realization as who they really are: To birth themselves as life from the physical to manifest heaven as earth as the expression of who we really are.’
So, it is to not exist within the past, present (referred to as the ‘now’) or future, it is to be HERE with you within and as breath and live self honestly in every moment. And within this – you determine the experience of you yourself HERE in every moment of breath – within the video interviews and material on the site you will come to understand that existing in the past, present and future is existing within the mind as the mind is that which exist within a ‘time-line’ frame – which enslave you to the past and enslave you to the future by keeping you in the present (the ‘now’). So – it’s to ‘set you free’ from fear of the future and judgment of the past and confusion of the present – to not exist in ‘time’ – but self freedom in self expression HERE with YOU as BREATH.
Here is a document I’d suggest reading that will assist:
http://www.desteni.co.za/Osho/Osho4.htm (The Power of Here vs. The Power of Now)
Further perspective:
The past life as a current life pattern still exist as the layer that allowed this existence to evolve as a unified field.
The interaction of that interdimensionally have been stopped.
The mind though will re image anything possible to remain enslaved. This is the reason it was removed, but as we are creators with little suggestion, we may recreate it in the mind and will accordingly time loop thus the being will get better and then face the same point later.
Thus the reason for the stop.
The breath


==Babaji, Kriya Toga and the Siddhas==
Self forgiveness


Self honesty


=====Question=====
and to be a portal - to change definitively and not accept this reality as it is currently functioning as it keeps us enslaved by our very belief in things, because in our belief we create it in the pre-cognitive stage of self presence as the now of self


I'm wondering what the deal is with Kriya Yoga, Babaji, and the teachings of the siddhas. It would be interesting to see what Paramahansa Yogananda has to say about this. Yes, I've read the Autobiography of a Yogi and also Babaji and the 18 siddhas. Is Kriya Yoga something we should practice? Is there anything about it that we should avoid? Also, it would be interesting to hear more about Babaji to clarify what he is all about. And the siddhas: supposedly they are perfected beings that have attained immortality. But look, it's there again: they have "attained" immortality. Any opinions?


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With regards to Babaji and Kriya Yoga: They're presentation and manifestation in this world was still of this world within and as the unified consciousness field - based and founded within and as knowledge and information:
==Chakras==


Not the practical simplicity living example of life as life within and as oneness and equality as the breath as the moment - stopping the mind and living the words as one as equal as you in every moment within and as oneness and equality as all as one as equal: The living word - the living expressive example of life as the statement of you that you live, express and apply within and as support and assistance for all as one as equal as you.


The statements and practices do not support and assist all life within and as oneness and equality as self of life here as the breath within and as practical living application in every moment as every moment.
'''Question:'''


'Awakening' is the 'awakening of the mind' - super consciousness - 'supreme being' of the unified consciousness field - while who you are, sleeps and slumbers within you, suppressed and hidden and unaware.
Does the following artwork depict the chakras and aura accurately?
This is the foundation of Babaji and Kriya Yoga: 'Supreme being consciousness' within and of the unified consciousness field, based on knowledge and information without a practical simple way of living that assist and support all life within and as oneness and equality as you in every moment of every breath - actually living and applying who you are - no mind of thoughts, feelings and emotions - YOU as the expression of life as the living word.


Therefore - here: Stop the mind, live as the moment as the breath within and as self honesty as you, apply self forgiveness and self corrective application - live words as you as one and equal as you - expressing and experiencing the living word as who you are - no mind.
[[File:Alex_Grey_Chakras.jpg]]




'''Perspective:'''


==Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj==
1. Let's start with the gridline structures:
This is exactly what the gridline structures interdimensionally look on earth within and as human beings and also the world: What is referred to as the 'Unified Consciousness Field' to which the unconscious mind of all of humanity was connected to.


2. The yellow circular structure around the mind/brain/head area represents the 'God Consciousness' signature. And it also represents where human beings would 'connect' to the 'Unified Consciousness Field' and then have a Euphoric 'God-like Essence' experience during meditation.


3. Then you have the chakra points indicated - the chakra points are actually specific emotional and feeling mind consciousness point centers - the Chakra manifested Construct actually designed by Demons, later used by the White Light construct, within and as human beings - as each Chakra centre contained a specific energetic which they preferred to 'drink from' to maintain their existence from within the Demon dimension. See - Demons were dependant on emotional and feeling compound energy within human beings to have the ability to exist. Each Chakra centre had a interdimensional plug-in system within the human physical body - with pipelines running from the Chakra point to the plug-in points and so the Demons literally 'sucked-out' the necessary amount of energy they required. The pipeline structures connected the Chakra centers (allocated in the centre of your human physical body, all connected together by a 'pillar structure') with the plug-in points (within the muscle tissue of your human physical body). By the plug-in points there were round circular structures within which the specific emotional/feeling energy would flow - and once they're filled - the Demons would have their drink.
From the White Light perspective they used these Charka centre plug-in points to inject implants or information within and as the mind consciousness systems as the Chakra Construct was 'connected' to the mind consciousness system within and as human beings.


=====Question:=====
We've removed this entire Chakra Construct within human beings entirely - though such an idea of the existence of Chakra's still exists within their mind based on memory.


He was "termed enlightened" by most humans that knew him. He has said the same thing Desteni is saying. That you are not the mind or the body you are much more than that. And that identifying with the mind is what causes suffering. The mind is false. If you want to know who you are go beyond the mind. Anyway I was wondering if he would do an interview. Or is he so free of this illusion he could not even be found...  
4. The indicated circle around the human being is the Aura - the Aura is but the resonance of the emotional and feeling energy contained within the Chakra centers which also permeate within and as the entire human physical body as also indicated within this picture/painting. Therefore - the Aura only exist as a round circular formation around the being - separation and limitation.


=====Perspective:=====
5. The colours indicated within and as this being - the exact colours of the Chakra centers is how the emotional and feeling energy move within and as the human physical body constantly and continuously - emotions and feelings divided according to colour and section of the Chakra centers - remaining within and as their specific individual movements according to how they're allocated according to the Chakra centers.
As in the picture/painting presented is what it looks like within human beings as emotional and feeling energy movement looked like within human beings.


I suggest read through the following articles:
The only difference now is that everything within and as human beings is compacted and compounded and inverted within to face and deal with appropriately for necessary transcendences, self realisation and self revelation.


http://desteni.org/a/paramahansa-yogananda-i-did-not-accept-myself-as-god (Paramahansa Yogananda)
A system drawing/painting a system.


http://desteni.org/a/swami-muktananda-in-the-beginning-was-the-word-and-the-word-was-god-and-the-word-was-with-god (Swami Muktananda)
So - the above picture/painting is exactly how humans as mind consciousness systems used to look like interdimensionally within this consciousness systems' existence - though, not as apparently 'beautifully' presented here in this picture/painting - much 'worse'.


http://desteni.org/a/osho-i-am-the-living-word-in-every-moment (Osho - I am the living word in every moment)




And also a perspective I have given another being on the Forum:
== Becoming the greatest person that has ever lived==




Quote:  
'''Question'''
So Now in my experience during forgiveness, i am using words like,  
 
"I am not my mind"
How I will become the greatest person that has ever lived?
or
 
"my mind is not who I really am"
 
Yet, this is not so. I at the moment am my mind so when i use the above phrasing, I am actually lying to myself. I speak these phrases and then say to myself "but actually you are these things" However I am working through them.  
'''Perspective:'''
I am wondering how to reconcile these points. To affirm the truth that I am still a mind consciousness system at the moment but not to give my power as myself as "who i really am" to it.
 
You see this "who I really am" seems like a future version of myself when i am no longer of mind.
Hmmm, interesting, you know - I have been in a similar position as you, where I 'held onto' a definition of me as 'all the great things that I have done in the past' - holding the trophies of past perceived 'accomplishments' of greatness as memories in my 'mind' - and so I developed a pretty sturdy ego, massive by nature, as I defined who I am according to 'where I come from', 'what I have done', 'what I have accomplished' - oh, my memory trophy cabinet was stacked within and as the Ego of me that I had become - and I had many 'supporters' who assisted me in designing this Ego that I had become, you know - the ones I 'saved' and 'helped' - so their pictures was also stored in the Trophy cabinet as the design of my Ego.
Actually, I "really am" A mind consciousness system still so why would i say I'm not!
 
you see where I'm at. Still separating myself from my mind, not seeing it as one with me, believing that i must separate my mind from who i really am.
Until, I realized something: The past is 'gone' - what I had done in the past is gone, who I was in the past is gone, the accomplishments I had is gone - though, I made them 'real' by keeping them in my Trophy cabinet within me, designing my Ego as all that I have done in the past, all that I was in the past, all that I accomplished in the past...
Maybe I am supposed to stop my mind but not separate it from who I am as oneness. but that seems pointless also, like carrying around a big rock that really is just extra weight serving no purpose. Humm...
 
thanks
Death 'saved' me - strange, that's the 'last' point of what exist within this existence to consider, this 'save' is not a 'save' as in the definition thereof as 'rescue' - no, this 'save' is the realization that the Ego as what I have become of the past, was designed by me, because I feared death, lol, 'imagine' a dimensional being fearing death, fearing the death of self - see, one tend to want to hold onto the past, 'keep it as trophy's of past accomplishments' because you fear losing you as what you have done and accomplished, because you 'think you are that which you have done' - I've realized I am not. I died - this 'I' was the 'I', I had become of the Ego, as the Ego, oh - 'I' died many times - lol - I die when I have accepted and allowed myself to define who and what I am according to the past. Then it has to fall, I have to fall - to realize that I can only fall - if I am of the past, if I am of the mind, if I am as the Ego - and I will continue falling, I will continue dying - until I realize, until I see: Only in separation of me, falling and dying is possible.
 
And separation exist, when you're not here as the presence of you as the moment as the breath - so, I am here, I am presence - not accepting or allowing even my expression in a moment to define who I am - self definition to something or someone - past or future is separation - then you're lost: And only 'death' can 'save' you - lol.


I understand your experience - let's look at it this way:  
What I'm saying, 'alien friend' - is that you're defining you as what you 'are' as being of 'alien', you're defining what you are according to what you have done, where you've been placed as an 'alien', you're defining what you are according to other races and planets, you're defining what you are according to information - I have been there in such a position, naturally not exactly the same - but the principle of the mind set you're in - yes I have.
You have not yet actually lived man - and it is usually only at death - that one see / realise, that nothing was real, nothing what the mind, what exist in your head 'up there' is real, it's all gone, all of you as the world you designed as the Ego that has become you of the mind: Disappears.


First step:  
This is what I realized as well: That the only 'point' that is real - that exist to remain 'sane' - is the breath, remaining here as the breath - not participating in the mind.
Stand within and as oneness and equality as yourself - meaning - standing within and as oneness and equality as you as a mind consciousness system - no separation 'from' the mind as thoughts, feelings, emotions, systems - because in this moment - it's who you are and what you are - thus - you're 'allocating' yourself - your 'finding' your 'allocation' as a mind consciousness system within and as the unified consciousness field. Standing within and as oneness and equality as what you are and who you are in this moment.  
The question always remain: What would you do and who would you be, if you were to realize 'alien friend' - that everything you in this moment have believed and define as who and what you are: Have been an illusion, an idea, a design of your mind as the Ego that you have become - quite an entertaining Ego you have there though.


Second Step:
Haven't you put two and two together yet? It is your very mind causing the experience of yourself you're currently having within you - so alone you are, so hidden, so secluded - the pain and the sadness becoming heavier and heavier on your heart and on your shoulders everyday - becoming more difficult to open your eyes in the mornings, a struggle to walk, to move - no more 'life': This is all done through your own mind and this is what you must realize - that your mind 'in there up there in your head' - is causing the experience you're having right now.
You know - (knowledge) that you are not a mind consciousness system -meaning that 'who you really are' is not a mind consciousness system - you know (knowledge) who you really are, is life within and as oneness and equality as all as one as equal. Now - you as a mind consciousness system - must birth yourself from system - to/as life within and as oneness and equality as all as one as equal.  


Now - to place this knowledge of who you are in practical application - the process of living who you are as life within and as oneness and equality as all as one as equal - the 'tools' are given: Self honesty, self forgiveness, self statements, self corrective application and breathing - living the tools as you to assist and support you within your process of birthing yourself as life from the physical from a mind consciousness system as what and who you are currently in this moment.  
So - you choose how you'd prefer experiencing the death of you as the Ego of the mind: Either you stop - give up everything, give up nothing for everything - through this process of stopping the mind - get out of that prison inside you, starving yourself to death as you 'deplete' every day, day by day - and stand up - as the mind dies - you stand up as who you are within you - or, you will realize yourself within the interdimensional existence, where the mind dies in a moment - and you're left with only yourself, though, I would strongly suggest you do it here, because it is only here on earth where life will be born from the physical as all as one as equal.


Third Step:
With you standing within and as oneness and equality as yourself as a mind consciousness system - together with these tools - in placing the knowledge into application of who you are as life within and as oneness and equality as all as one as equal - when you make the statement: I am not the mind - this is not done within / of separation - this is then a statement of realization of you - because you know who you really are is not the mind - and you're currently within this process of realizing yourself as who you really are as life within and as oneness and equality as all as one as equal through practically applying yourself in every moment as every breath.


Because the statement: 'I am not the mind' is a directive statement, you as a mind consciousness system making the statement that this is not who you really are - when standing / as standing within and as oneness and equality as the entirety of you as a mind consciousness system - no separation - here you have the ability to direct yourself effectively within and as your process of realizing you as life - if in separation - that which you stand within and as separation of - will direct / control you -then - no movement/self direction possible.


==The Seven Mighty Elohim==




==Ascended Masters==
'''Definition'''


Perspective by Osho
Red, orange, yellow, green, blue, indigo, violet. They are the chakra of the spirit construct that correspond to the movement through the ten sephirot of the tree of life by navigating through specific combinations of the twenty-two archetypes. When you have accessed the seven elohim, then you become an ipsisimos.


=====1. Saint Germain:=====
This whole system has been taken down and the knowledge is garbage.


Saint Germain (a.k.a. Comte de Saint-Germain) was a boy birthed into this world with 'multidimensional' access within and of the unified consciousness field.  
If you look at the knowledge followed within this ascension concept, you will notice that it is a path within a polarity that focus the walker on just some part of the polarity, which is the illusion, where one assume that it must be real because of its apparent beauty, however the other end of the scale exist to balance the polarity, which is denied by the walker on the path.


He was not born with a mind consciousness system - he was birthed as a dimensional being within this world without a mind consciousness system together with two other dimensional beings that would remain with him for the remainder of his lifetime here on earth.


As a young boy he was 'raised' by two dimensional beings - from the age of seven years to the age of 17 years. During this period the two dimensional beings 'trained' him - 'prepared' him for his lifetime to be spent and experienced in this world.


The informed him that he's 'part of' a 'great design' and will thus remain here in this world until he, and the two other dimensional beings, are done with what they came here to do. The two dimensional beings informed him that he is not to disclose the information, knowledge and practices to anyone - otherwise - they'd remove him from the world in an instant and will not be glorified after death. They showed him what would become of him if he'd dare utter one word of his coming to earth, his preparation and training - they showed him 'hell' - then showed him a place with the Masters in the heaven's of existence - most profound option of course - and thus Saint Germain agreed.
==Was there such a thing as Dual (or more) incarnations?==


The 'part' / 'position' of himself within and of the 'Great Design' was not disclosed to him - he was said not to question - but to trust - for he will do great things in this world and become a great and renowned man for many times to come - and would exist infinitely in this world.


Unbeknown to Saint Germain is that he was to become the 'design' of the Christ consciousness system within and of the unified consciousness field - to which many human beings 'wish' / 'desire' to attain - through ascension - become a Ascended Master / Christ Consciousness or even God Consciousness - part of the 'Grand Enslavement System Design' within and of the unified consciousness field - to enslave human beings within and of separation as their individual mind consciousness system pre-programmed / pre-ordained life path experiences.
'''Perspective'''


This is why Saint Germain 'lived longer' in this world - the 'elixir of life' is having no mind - not existing within the space time continuum of past, present or future - but 'multidimensionally' within and of the unified consciousness field - yet not interdimensionally - he did not have access to the dimensions but through the two dimensional beings who appeared to him when necessary.
Yes, cloning was common


His 'mind' moved very fast yet very slow - had 'photographic memory' and thus 'learned' and 'grasped' instantaneously - he was not 'normal' as all other human beings at the 'time' he existed - therefore - would have been termed 'mad' / 'crazy'.  
At the moment, beings that find transcendence impossible or still desire power over others are still reincarnating, that means without full awareness to sort out the ingrain essence.  


He was not allowed to document anything of his experience - nor of himself - only certain events would be documented while in the presence of others - yet this was all part of the design of Christ / God Consciousness within the unified consciousness field of this reality - to which many human beings in the years / times to come would wish / desire to attain to or ascend as.  
The ones in oneness come in fully aware and will mature very young and they need support.  


He, Saint Germain, had much knowledge and information of how this reality and the dimensions operate - gathered from the two dimensional beings who walked with him during his lifetime on earth - how to regenerate, rejuvenate his human physical body - how you exist infinitely because death doesn't exist - he thus didn't fear death because the two dimensional beings revealed to him the knowledge and information of existence.
So, we better move


He was directed by the two dimensional beings all his life - exactly what to do, how to do it, where to go, where to stay, who to meet and who to speak to etc. He trusted them (the two dimensional beings) exceptionally.
==Reiki, Life Coaching, Hypno-Therapy, Sound Healing==


Primarily - all part of a mind consciousness system design within all of humanity within and of the unified consciousness field - still influencing, enslaving human beings to this day.


The being as Saint Germain did not reincarnate again on earth.
'''Question'''



I have a few questions regarding the modalities listed above. I had many more questions however, before posting here, I read many forum discussions and watched some interviews on the topics of healing and energy which answered most of my questions:
Reiki,  I'm in the process of beginning a Reiki practice however now seeing that energy is a construct of the mind consciousness system. I do not want to support the mcs by engaging in energy, so is it so that reiki is a practice that supports the mcs and therefore should not be used? 

It seems that I could simply place my hands on different points of the physical body and describe it to clients as therapeutic touch where the warmth of my hands influences their body at a cellular level?


=====2. El Morya:=====
Although this doesn't sound practical as the client is still counting on an outside "thing"(touch) to help them in the healing process. 

I am leaning toward no longer practicing reiki and utilizing a more physical modality, sound, and or talk therapy. 




Was manifested here on earth as a being without a mind consciousness system to establish a movement - a movement that would influence, enslave many human beings for 'times' to come - in hope, faith and worship in a separate manifested greater source that self.
Life Coaching & Hypno-therapy, Are Life Coaching and Hypno-therapy beneficial or do they support the mcs as well? 
I personally feel life coaching and hypnotherapy are helpful tools if used to empower others in using self forgiveness, self honesty, and self corrective application-is this so?


All part of the White Light enslavement design as 'proof' for human beings to 'believe' in ascension - then commit and dedicate their lives to ascension and the 'Ascended Masters' of apparent 'greater profound knowledge / wisdom' - 'offering' themselves to the 'ascension construct / system' of the White Light within and of the unified consciousness field of this reality.  
Sound Healing, 
From forum discussions I've read it seems that sound healing is very helpful in the "healing" process as long as it is used to influence at a cellular level vs. being used to influence energy? 






He did 'ascend' - there was a 'specialized' gridline structure placed within and around him - that 'dispersed' his human physical body into atomic/molecular structure - then he as a being remained in the dimensions.  
For those that are interested in this topic of discussion I've pasted bellow a few links that have been very helpful to me in answering questions regarding healing modalities and energy. 


Questions and Perspectives: Energy and Mind 
http://desteni.co.za/Osho/qpenergyandmind.htm 


Energy Demon 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88F24Q8LGLs

Questions and Perspectives: Shamanism, Chakras and Pendulums


Returned to earth through channeling through other human beings as an 'Ascended Master' - obviously now 'gaining' trust and validity for his 'stature' and standing because he 'ascended' and is thus now a 'Ascended Master'.
[http://desteni.co.za/Osho/qpshamanism.htm%20

Veno's%20Structural%20Resonance%20Documents
http://desteni.co.za/Osho/qpshamanism.htm 

Veno's Structural Resonance Documents]
http://desteni.org/a/veno-structural-resonance-part-1


A method used of mind manipulation for human beings to 'follow' and 'worship' such a being as an 'Ascended Master' who ascended from earth and now communicates from the dimensions.


Yet when this being 'ascended' - he was manifested in the dimensions with a mind consciousness system - with specific words to be spoken to other human beings on earth in support of the enslavement of 'ascension' and the following and worship of many human beings in 'spiritual evolution' of ascension.
'''Perspective'''


The White Light knew that human beings need to 'see' proof of something 'great' before they'd offer themselves totally and completely to such a belief/following in worshipping another - and so it was designed within and of the unified consciousness field of this existence.  
In any Therapy, as assistance for self as another, self as standing as the other as self, is the key, this starting point allow any therapy to be adjusted as is required.  


El Morya was no other incarnations before or after his appearance on earth - the many incarnations was said to human beings as such to validate his 'wisdom' according to apparent experience of 'greatness' - this to be 'seen' and 'honoured' by many as 'Master'.  


Understand though, that healing without self realization is actually suppression and the illness will return more aggressively, as the medical industry is finding in the progression from bacteria to super bugs.




=====3. Kuthumi:=====
(Bernard Poolman)


'Part of' the Masters of the White Light construct / system - lived and then ascended from earth to establish themselves as 'Ascended Masters' to support movements and establishments in this world to enslave human beings further within and of separation.


This establishment of 'Ascended Masters' had been 'pre-ordained' within and of unified consciousness field of this reality by the White Light - thus have beings 'incarnate' within this world, without a mind consciousness system, and then 'ascend' by placing a specialized gridline structure within and around them that 'dispersed' their human physical body into atomic/molecular structure - then as a being remained in the dimensions. Thus - validating and proof for human beings to have to believe and worship and follow and attain and ascend to 'Ascended Master' status. Kuthumi was another manifestation that was 'part of' the grand design of the establishments of movements within and of this world e.g. Helena Blavatsky and Alice Bailey that presented a 'new movement' / establishment within this world together with the 'Ascended Masters' that had gone before them: All 'part of' the White Light enslavement system.
==Chakra/Medical Astrology==


Thus - Kuthumi was prepared to be able to direct Alice Bailey and Helena Blavatsky in establishing the new age movement - or a new movement - to 'change' or direct the minds of many in pre-occupation with another differentiation of spirituality.


All of this - all the 'Ascended Masters' 'played' the integral role in establishing movement or change a course in humanity in manifesting another different outflow of belief, worship, faith and hope as religion or spirituality - all pre-ordained and pre-programmed.  
It is suggested to do specific forgiveness on archetypes in all forms.

 Archetypes are accepted patterns that forms groups of behaviors within the population and as such are polarized to separate.


Then as Kuthumi was in the dimensions - as a dimensional being prepared with a mind consciousness system to assist and support Helena Blavatsky and Alice Bailey in manifesting a movement on earth to influence and enslave human beings in further separation.


=====4. Djwhal Khul:=====  
==Tarot==


Djwal Khul was the exact same manifestation of this world as Kuthumi - together in establishing the movement and direction of changing the course of influencing the minds of many human beings through Alice Bailey and Helena Blavatsky.
'''Question'''


There were many beings manifested on earth without a mind consciousness system - to live here and exist here for a moment - to gain substantiality and validity for what they'll become and do after death as a 'Ascended Master' - all part of the White Light's establishment of 'Ascended Masters' here on earth and within the dimensions.  
I find myself deeply interested in the things I was afraid of. The Ouija Board had to be one of the top, but right next to it is tarot cards. I have researched the origins of tarot and realized how serious some people take it. I am by no means trying to build myself another "belief system", but I have come to the conclusion that "anything goes" and I find myself with the delightful choice of believing in whatever I so choose. If I am going to exist in this world, I might as well not deny myself of the "cheat codes" that this game/program offers.  


Alice Bailey and Helena Blavatsky were manifested with a specialized mind consciousness system as were Djwal Khul and Kuthumi when they were in the dimensions - all to support, establish and manifest the 'new changed movement' within this world to influence the minds of many - to trap and enslave within and of a movement / following within and as the unified consciousness field.  
So my question is this, should I really get into tarot and all the different types of interpretations. Or should I just take it for what it is (the pictures I see and the meanings I give it). I know that studying is just a process that is unnecessary if I would simply know that I know, however is there some advantage to "relearning" certain details of certain things. Not with the intention of carrying-on or recreating the tarot but with the intention of getting others to know who and what they are. 

I have no fear of tarot cards anymore, I used to fear certain cards and certain meanings but now I realize all cards are equal and my judgment of one over another points to places where I need to look at myself.  


Djwhal Khul and Kuthumi did not have any incarnations before - only once as how they are known now to establish themselves within this world and the minds of many - as said - the 'previous incarnations' were just used to make them be 'more profound' and 'greater' of superiority - so they may hold man in the palm of their hand and do, direct and control with them as they please.


'''Perspective'''


=====5. Maitreya:=====
Have tested the cards, as you have noticed, some have definitions that is of polarity. 

The only cards I found to work effectivly in self support, are those from Osho, where it gives a perspective and assists within self honesty.


Another manifestation of the unified consciousness field, pre-programmed and pre-ordained by the White Light within and of this reality, to enslave human beings in this teachings of Buddhism - to remain enslaved for 'time' to come in belief/hope and faith and thus to remain so - for the remainder of their lives.
'''Question'''


Maitreya has not incarnated as anyone or anything - remains a voice - a mind consciousness dimensional system to have human beings remain lost and enslaved within and of their own beliefs/faiths/religions.
So do the definitions point to self-dishonesty or the cards themselves or both? Are tarot cards just a vague method of communicating with the dimensions?


Will thus 'appear' or be 'seen' or be 'recognized' by human beings through their own mind consciousness systems to continue to support the manifestation of many human beings' beliefs in such a manifestation as Maitreya.
'''Perspective'''


=====6. Sanat Kumara:=====
Tarot are a method to reveal self to self, Osho cards focus on self reflection.


Another example of a manifestation to proliferate belief/faith/hope and profound and great authority and superiority - within and as and of the minds of many human beings on earth.
'''Question'''


Understand - any Deity, Ascended Master - that is a 'God' position within a following / movement is of the White Light enslavement pre-programmed / pre-ordained system within this world - placed and manifested / originated and designed to enslave human beings within and of separation.
Meaning, the Osho zen tarot cards will only tell me about me as a system?


As explained above - all such beings were specifically placed and designed here on earth and in the hereafter through the White Light / Anu to have human beings and also dimensional beings remain enslaved within and as their own mind consciousness systems - through movements, religions and followings - such beings as explained above / indicated above were the benchmarks or pillars of establishing and manifesting such movements / followings within this world.
'''Perspective'''


Such manifestations / placements / positions / stature / definition no longer exist within the dimensions - in the dimensions - all are beings within and as oneness and equality within and as human beings to direct and support them effectively in every moment to realize who you are within and as oneness and equality of life: Without the mind.
Yes, only guidance as to self forgiveness and self honesty, I used it for: the zen one.

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The Tao and contraction cycles

Question:

Your saying that "this is the 11th time" rang a bell for me - in one of the latest articles on the Spiritual School of Ascension site, it also mentions that there have been previous times when Creation did not return properly in the "inbreath of the Creator", and parts were left behind (they say "twelve or more times", but its the same principle, I guess).


Quote: "So what has occurred in the Tao to create consumption? It appears that groups and groups of creators have been left behind in 12 or more contraction cycles, and these creators have continued to exist between cycles, and in order to do so have to consume creations to have enough chi to continue to exist without the chi of the Tao. The Tao provides chi to all creators and creations, except between contraction cycles. Somehow that which was left behind forgot to return home and fell into the pattern of consuming in order to save chi for between the cycles to survive. Those creations or parts of creations that are consumed then fall into the same forgetfulness as those who are lost, creating increasing numbers of lost creators that consume; to a point that if it is not rectified, the Tao may be consumed to death in five or less cycles ahead. So the Tao of the future is working back in time to rectify a circumstance that went unnoticed until it threatened all of existence."

Perspective:

Even the Tao is consciousness. It is just a way to place an understandable construct within the understanding of self that is based on the principle of life being born from the physical. This implies that life never existed yet as life itself in a way

That is what we found. Much cannot be revealed yet as it would cause another construct, so call it the in breath, which is again a construct that will have to be let go of even forgiveness will assist.

Life is - that is has been most graciously expounded on by the work on Tao

The School of ascension work with very limited insight as they were specifically misled by an unconscious mind implant system, this was run by an Atlantean called Mila. This then is represented as all kinds of beings presenting "truth" with a lot true, but the spill -the core is always misrepresented

This was the way organizations were formed to trap the serious seekers in separation - instead of self

That was the reason for Ascension, we even found such heaven where the ascended went to, yet this was removed in one moment. So much for all those that spend lifetimes on these ideas - consciousness interdimensionally is removed in one moment.

Understand that something more is going on than what has ever been revealed. The secret is Man - Man is "God", yet must proof it universally and "power" is not what man understand it to be. It is not spirit, or love or anything ever taught. Power cannot be taught.

See we do not present an answer, we present an way to an answer, but only self honesty will open the door - absolute.

How do we know and this is important - how do we know that the experience of a channel is real or not? They must leave the body aware and be tested intensely in all facets and with all beings in creation to establish what is real. There must be no separate conscious, subconscious and unconscious that they may see direct. There may be no "energy " fluctuations - that means: the channel may not get tired - 20 hours non stop channeling, beings randomly throughout all "time". The channel must be able to handle all levels of possession like demons - satan - anything at any time. The channel must be able to see all direct and be present in each conversation and be able to access anything any "dimension" to investigate the information as real and that must be randomly checked to make sure it is consistent. The channel must be woken up in the middle of the night and immediately all must be consistent and constant. The channel must be given illness like aids in one moment at DNA level and transcend it - physical aliment must manifest on the body of the channel and be corrected interdimensionally as prove of self directedness. The channel when in the dimensions must be faced with all imaginable tests, like disappearing into nothing and bring self together again and more.

This is some tests winged went through before we stared presenting any work. Understand what winged experience - I do too. I remain the point that cross-reference - so is there Andrea - we test all the time and so there are also others not yet named. All are tested in similar ways. We are very strict, because we are presenting a message that is not acceptable. It had to be proven. It took 18 months of 14-16 hours a day of testing and challenging. We had some that could not pass the test because of honesty with self.

So we have heard all the excuses of consciousness. Imagine a girl taking on the Universal Mind to find that it deceive - the things we have placed our faith and trust in, and when something deceives - it is confirmed consciousness and thus is removable. Call this the second death, There is such a point. The first death on earth and the second, when one chose consciousness and separation in stead of assistance death again - the end.


This is only so because life does not yet exist as form manifest. Even nature is compromised.

So some insight in what winged and others went through. In that process the portal and others with abilities were closed if any form of deceit manifest. Yes we open and close portals in a moment. It is not a gift, it is a placement.

Much will reveal as we move

Be certain, we are no fools.

Before a post is done here, we check the being thoroughly. We know when you die, how , why - all is revealed. So when we assist, know this, we assist you as ourselves. What we would have liked if we were you and did not yet understand - we assess to give each the best opportunity.

Obviously, it is not the only way - we know that. We can give you another as well,but it is the most direct way with the least pain and suffering. But know this, all is going to suffer - we allow atrocities to be called life.


Hope this give some perspective on winged. I dare any channel in the world to come and be tested, even just 3 months and prove that what they present is true. There is not one. They are all system manifestations. We even go into their system when they speak. If we take the system out the being will die. So we have to be patient with the BS and challenge them - forgiveness and self honesty.


Gifts and Abilities

Question


Would it be possible for you to tell me what are my gifts and abilities? Also if you can visit me by astral projection?


Perspective:

Realize that within this process of self forgiveness – you are giving you to you, thus gifting you to yourself, and together with self forgiveness applying self corrective application in every moment of breath, in living self honesty, self trust and self expression – to so become self aware of you as ‘who you are’ here as you participate in this world. There are no such thing as ‘special abilities or gifts’ – because it’s not about the abilities or gifts - but who YOU are, in assisting and supporting you to stand one and equal as life so we can stop what we have accepted and allowed to exist within this world as ourselves. Don’t accept/allow you to define ‘who you are’ according to ‘gifts’ / ‘abilities’ as this would be separation.


No – no ‘astral projection’ required – ‘astral projection’ is still a mind-designed constructed system, so astral projection is but a alternate reality programmed within human beings minds’ so human beings believe or perceive themselves to ‘project themselves astrally’ – but actually still remain within their own mind.

I suggest you focus on you, in assisting and supporting you within your individual process of stopping the mind, to manifest you as the living expression of life as all as one as equal.


Vibrational Alchemy and Remote Controlled Information

Question

I've understood some "vibratory alchemy" things that I was studying since it didn't mean to invoke or invoke spiritual beings. By the way, I talked about some information I understand, it's as if someone remote controlled information to come to me without I ever asked for them. And finally, it don't know such things as white light but there is no one that could preserve me from doing what ever I please but my self so... It's just that I'm a down to earth, educated atheist that is confronted to something that I do not understand If you know anyone who's into stuff called magick, and knows about Aleister Crowley and his concept of "conversation with the holy guardian angel" I would just like to know what comes next. By he way do never forget that I'm a real skeptic and am not even convinced of my own experiences even if I know for sure that they are for real

Perspective


We suggest stopping and focus on what is necessary to be done here within this world.

An unexpected, unpredictable and sudden change has taken place within this existence: The dimensions and dimensional beings no more exists – they are in this moment one and equal as life, their process is done and is no longer part of this process here on earth, therefore – no more ‘individual expression as ‘individual dimensional beings’ exists as all are one and equal as life.

Thus, all that is in process is what is here within and as this physical manifested universe: The earth, nature, animal kingdom, human beings, planets, stars – even the cup you drink coffee from, your sunglasses, the steering wheel of a car, the wheels of a car – everything that exists within this physical manifested universe is aware – as you are aware – yet in this process

Thus, the first application to realise is that that which you touch within this world is very much aware – thus, the interviews are now of that which exists within this world that is communicating their process of becoming self aware – have a look at the interviews:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EM9U7FC8DCQ

(Interview with a Camera Lens)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UUx-4KGNIv8

(Interview with a Grain of Sand)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5QfBPz_f28

(Interview with a Petrol Pump)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GN5nbm5Y8JM

(Interview with a Pillow)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RYQaIn2IhE

(Interview with a Panty Liner)


http://desteni.org/a/coffee-cup

(Perspective from coffee and cup: Document)


So, if you are communicating with anything other than what you can touch here within this world = you’re in the mind, of the mind – enslaved within and as a system. Instead of living here practically within this world in every moment of breath, applying self honesty, self trust and self expression in assisting and supporting you – to establish oneness and equality as life as you here in taking self responsibility for you as al that you have accepted and allowed you to be and become as the nature of you of the mind in separation, fear and self dishonesty.


Understand that each one of us is responsible for what exists within and as the world – we did this, because we within ourselves accepted and allowed it to continue in this way, because we did not stand up within ourselves as all as one as equal, living the statement of what we will accept and allow and what we will not accept and allow – but continued ignorantly within the seclusion of ‘our own life’, not caring / considering anything/anyone else but ‘our world and our mind’. This world cannot continue as is – thus, it must stop as it’s existing in this moment, as it’s accepted and allowed to exist by all.


And how will each one realize that each one is individually responsible for what exists and how this world exists: Is when each individual human being experience and individually face the nature of themselves within themselves and their world and actually experience the manifested nature they have accepted and allowed themselves to be and become – because each individual human beings’ nature have been inverted into self, to be manifested as an experience of themselves to in such a way see the nature they have become – and there will be much hardship, suffering and pain to come within this world – until human beings finally realize that each one has to stand up and take self responsibility for what they have accepted and allowed within themselves and this world as themselves – so that we will not ever again create, create such an atrocity.


I would suggest to not have to first go through the experiences before you realize your self responsibility – but to live here practically in this world in every moment of breath and purify the nature you have become of the mind, in separation through focusing on your breath, to apply self forgiveness, to live the practical correction in not accepting/allowing you to participate in behaviors/habits of the mind in ego according to the personality you have defined you as being, to live self honesty, self trust and self expression to stand as all as one as equal as life – to stop what we have done and become within this world, this existence.


Therefore it is not to only believe that ‘no god exists; - but to realize that we are alone within this existence, this world – and we have to stop what we have done, through practical living application in every moment of breath here.


Past Lives and seeing the Future

Question:

If I sent you a picture of myself to you,would you know about my past lives and my Future?

Perspective:

Don’t require a picture – for you as me is here within and as me. Though understand this: Your past lives is entirely irrelevant to ‘who you are here’ within this moment and is also of no relevance to the experience of you within this world, your world within which you participate. Past lives is what it says: PAST – the interdimensional existence have removed all past-life influences and constructs within human beings – so that all that is required for you to transcend within you is your mind-system design you developed within and as you as what you have come to believe yourself to be, as ‘who you are’ = for this life only. Here’s a forum, discussion topic that will give further perspective:

Question by Forum member (quote): ‘ It just dawned on me....it was mentioned that the reincarnation business pre desteni was all a huge fuck up, to the extent we were all living the same lives over and over and over again. Imagine that!! So no wonder that when i now have to face myself and all my actions and emotions, feelings, thoughts etc in this life then it is compounded from lots of other lives...no wonder it is hard work! This must be the same for all of us... Like jack said..just to transcend ONE issue or point if you like would take 100.000 lives 'the old way'. Well..the choice is easy...I'd like it over with now thank you very much. No wonder it's like an onion...layer upon layer... All of a sudden I'm not so hard on myself anymore....think we've done pretty good most of us in just a months or so!’

Response as perspective given (quote): ‘That’s how human beings’ experience within the White Light System/Construct was ‘laid out’ in space and time – through multiple and multiple lives – ‘you’ would be scattered – both in past lives and in current life and in future life experiences. Where beings would go life after life after life – ‘learning apparent lessons’, ‘paying (Karma) for previous lives’ mistakes’, ‘searching’ and seeking for themselves…

So – what we did was the following: We stood within and as human beings – then brought all of them, meaning all of each and every single human beings’ past life experiences, current life experiences and also future preprogrammed life experiences, of their current life experience to one singular point within and as human beings: Here.

Therefore bringing everything of each and every single human being, to one singular ‘point’ within and as them – which is: Here – in this moment, in this life experience which they are currently within.

This was done to ‘allocate’ each human being within existence, because ‘parts’ of human beings were ‘scattered’ all over existence!

Why do this: Because when we bring all of human beings to one ‘point’, to one singular ‘point’, which is here, within and as human beings – you’re able to ‘find’ their current ‘allocation’ within existence.

This allocation would be: Who and what this human being, currently in this life have accepted and allowed themselves to become as a mind consciousness structural resonance system – because of and together with all the other previous lives and also future pre-programmed life experiences, still to come, which exist within and as their mind consciousness system placement.

Then discernment: Meaning – what is required within and as this being to ‘remain’ (which is all that they have accepted and allowed themselves to be equal and one with as per mind consciousness systems/constructs which had become the mind consciousness structural resonance system to which they have defined ‘who they are’ within the system) for the necessity of their process of self revelation and self realization as who they really are as life.

That which we knew human beings could not handle or ‘deal with’ – we removed.

See we removed as much as possible within human beings and left as little as possible, for each and every single human being to transcend as they continue and experience themselves within and during their processes.

Therefore: That which currently remain within human beings is all that was/is necessary for them to transcend, is all that they are indeed able to handle and ‘deal with’ to assist and support themselves in birthing themselves as life from the physical as who we really are.

And that’s why this is and will be each and every single human beings’ last life – because all of each and every single human being is here, within them as them as only that which is necessary and required to transcend within and as themselves for self revelation and self realization as who they really are: To birth themselves as life from the physical to manifest heaven as earth as the expression of who we really are.’

So, it is to not exist within the past, present (referred to as the ‘now’) or future, it is to be HERE with you within and as breath and live self honestly in every moment. And within this – you determine the experience of you yourself HERE in every moment of breath – within the video interviews and material on the site you will come to understand that existing in the past, present and future is existing within the mind as the mind is that which exist within a ‘time-line’ frame – which enslave you to the past and enslave you to the future by keeping you in the present (the ‘now’). So – it’s to ‘set you free’ from fear of the future and judgment of the past and confusion of the present – to not exist in ‘time’ – but self freedom in self expression HERE with YOU as BREATH.

Here is a document I’d suggest reading that will assist:

http://www.desteni.co.za/Osho/Osho4.htm (The Power of Here vs. The Power of Now)

Further perspective:

The past life as a current life pattern still exist as the layer that allowed this existence to evolve as a unified field.

The interaction of that interdimensionally have been stopped.

The mind though will re image anything possible to remain enslaved. This is the reason it was removed, but as we are creators with little suggestion, we may recreate it in the mind and will accordingly time loop thus the being will get better and then face the same point later.

Thus the reason for the stop.

The breath

Self forgiveness

Self honesty

and to be a portal - to change definitively and not accept this reality as it is currently functioning as it keeps us enslaved by our very belief in things, because in our belief we create it in the pre-cognitive stage of self presence as the now of self


Chakras

Question:

Does the following artwork depict the chakras and aura accurately?


Perspective:

1. Let's start with the gridline structures: This is exactly what the gridline structures interdimensionally look on earth within and as human beings and also the world: What is referred to as the 'Unified Consciousness Field' to which the unconscious mind of all of humanity was connected to.

2. The yellow circular structure around the mind/brain/head area represents the 'God Consciousness' signature. And it also represents where human beings would 'connect' to the 'Unified Consciousness Field' and then have a Euphoric 'God-like Essence' experience during meditation.

3. Then you have the chakra points indicated - the chakra points are actually specific emotional and feeling mind consciousness point centers - the Chakra manifested Construct actually designed by Demons, later used by the White Light construct, within and as human beings - as each Chakra centre contained a specific energetic which they preferred to 'drink from' to maintain their existence from within the Demon dimension. See - Demons were dependant on emotional and feeling compound energy within human beings to have the ability to exist. Each Chakra centre had a interdimensional plug-in system within the human physical body - with pipelines running from the Chakra point to the plug-in points and so the Demons literally 'sucked-out' the necessary amount of energy they required. The pipeline structures connected the Chakra centers (allocated in the centre of your human physical body, all connected together by a 'pillar structure') with the plug-in points (within the muscle tissue of your human physical body). By the plug-in points there were round circular structures within which the specific emotional/feeling energy would flow - and once they're filled - the Demons would have their drink. From the White Light perspective they used these Charka centre plug-in points to inject implants or information within and as the mind consciousness systems as the Chakra Construct was 'connected' to the mind consciousness system within and as human beings.

We've removed this entire Chakra Construct within human beings entirely - though such an idea of the existence of Chakra's still exists within their mind based on memory.

4. The indicated circle around the human being is the Aura - the Aura is but the resonance of the emotional and feeling energy contained within the Chakra centers which also permeate within and as the entire human physical body as also indicated within this picture/painting. Therefore - the Aura only exist as a round circular formation around the being - separation and limitation.

5. The colours indicated within and as this being - the exact colours of the Chakra centers is how the emotional and feeling energy move within and as the human physical body constantly and continuously - emotions and feelings divided according to colour and section of the Chakra centers - remaining within and as their specific individual movements according to how they're allocated according to the Chakra centers. As in the picture/painting presented is what it looks like within human beings as emotional and feeling energy movement looked like within human beings.

The only difference now is that everything within and as human beings is compacted and compounded and inverted within to face and deal with appropriately for necessary transcendences, self realisation and self revelation.

A system drawing/painting a system.

So - the above picture/painting is exactly how humans as mind consciousness systems used to look like interdimensionally within this consciousness systems' existence - though, not as apparently 'beautifully' presented here in this picture/painting - much 'worse'.


Becoming the greatest person that has ever lived

Question

How I will become the greatest person that has ever lived?


Perspective:

Hmmm, interesting, you know - I have been in a similar position as you, where I 'held onto' a definition of me as 'all the great things that I have done in the past' - holding the trophies of past perceived 'accomplishments' of greatness as memories in my 'mind' - and so I developed a pretty sturdy ego, massive by nature, as I defined who I am according to 'where I come from', 'what I have done', 'what I have accomplished' - oh, my memory trophy cabinet was stacked within and as the Ego of me that I had become - and I had many 'supporters' who assisted me in designing this Ego that I had become, you know - the ones I 'saved' and 'helped' - so their pictures was also stored in the Trophy cabinet as the design of my Ego.

Until, I realized something: The past is 'gone' - what I had done in the past is gone, who I was in the past is gone, the accomplishments I had is gone - though, I made them 'real' by keeping them in my Trophy cabinet within me, designing my Ego as all that I have done in the past, all that I was in the past, all that I accomplished in the past...

Death 'saved' me - strange, that's the 'last' point of what exist within this existence to consider, this 'save' is not a 'save' as in the definition thereof as 'rescue' - no, this 'save' is the realization that the Ego as what I have become of the past, was designed by me, because I feared death, lol, 'imagine' a dimensional being fearing death, fearing the death of self - see, one tend to want to hold onto the past, 'keep it as trophy's of past accomplishments' because you fear losing you as what you have done and accomplished, because you 'think you are that which you have done' - I've realized I am not. I died - this 'I' was the 'I', I had become of the Ego, as the Ego, oh - 'I' died many times - lol - I die when I have accepted and allowed myself to define who and what I am according to the past. Then it has to fall, I have to fall - to realize that I can only fall - if I am of the past, if I am of the mind, if I am as the Ego - and I will continue falling, I will continue dying - until I realize, until I see: Only in separation of me, falling and dying is possible.

And separation exist, when you're not here as the presence of you as the moment as the breath - so, I am here, I am presence - not accepting or allowing even my expression in a moment to define who I am - self definition to something or someone - past or future is separation - then you're lost: And only 'death' can 'save' you - lol.

What I'm saying, 'alien friend' - is that you're defining you as what you 'are' as being of 'alien', you're defining what you are according to what you have done, where you've been placed as an 'alien', you're defining what you are according to other races and planets, you're defining what you are according to information - I have been there in such a position, naturally not exactly the same - but the principle of the mind set you're in - yes I have. You have not yet actually lived man - and it is usually only at death - that one see / realise, that nothing was real, nothing what the mind, what exist in your head 'up there' is real, it's all gone, all of you as the world you designed as the Ego that has become you of the mind: Disappears.

This is what I realized as well: That the only 'point' that is real - that exist to remain 'sane' - is the breath, remaining here as the breath - not participating in the mind. The question always remain: What would you do and who would you be, if you were to realize 'alien friend' - that everything you in this moment have believed and define as who and what you are: Have been an illusion, an idea, a design of your mind as the Ego that you have become - quite an entertaining Ego you have there though.

Haven't you put two and two together yet? It is your very mind causing the experience of yourself you're currently having within you - so alone you are, so hidden, so secluded - the pain and the sadness becoming heavier and heavier on your heart and on your shoulders everyday - becoming more difficult to open your eyes in the mornings, a struggle to walk, to move - no more 'life': This is all done through your own mind and this is what you must realize - that your mind 'in there up there in your head' - is causing the experience you're having right now.

So - you choose how you'd prefer experiencing the death of you as the Ego of the mind: Either you stop - give up everything, give up nothing for everything - through this process of stopping the mind - get out of that prison inside you, starving yourself to death as you 'deplete' every day, day by day - and stand up - as the mind dies - you stand up as who you are within you - or, you will realize yourself within the interdimensional existence, where the mind dies in a moment - and you're left with only yourself, though, I would strongly suggest you do it here, because it is only here on earth where life will be born from the physical as all as one as equal.


The Seven Mighty Elohim

Definition

Red, orange, yellow, green, blue, indigo, violet. They are the chakra of the spirit construct that correspond to the movement through the ten sephirot of the tree of life by navigating through specific combinations of the twenty-two archetypes. When you have accessed the seven elohim, then you become an ipsisimos.

This whole system has been taken down and the knowledge is garbage.

If you look at the knowledge followed within this ascension concept, you will notice that it is a path within a polarity that focus the walker on just some part of the polarity, which is the illusion, where one assume that it must be real because of its apparent beauty, however the other end of the scale exist to balance the polarity, which is denied by the walker on the path.


Was there such a thing as Dual (or more) incarnations?

Perspective

Yes, cloning was common

At the moment, beings that find transcendence impossible or still desire power over others are still reincarnating, that means without full awareness to sort out the ingrain essence.

The ones in oneness come in fully aware and will mature very young and they need support.

So, we better move

Reiki, Life Coaching, Hypno-Therapy, Sound Healing

Question


I have a few questions regarding the modalities listed above. I had many more questions however, before posting here, I read many forum discussions and watched some interviews on the topics of healing and energy which answered most of my questions: Reiki, I'm in the process of beginning a Reiki practice however now seeing that energy is a construct of the mind consciousness system. I do not want to support the mcs by engaging in energy, so is it so that reiki is a practice that supports the mcs and therefore should not be used? 

It seems that I could simply place my hands on different points of the physical body and describe it to clients as therapeutic touch where the warmth of my hands influences their body at a cellular level?

Although this doesn't sound practical as the client is still counting on an outside "thing"(touch) to help them in the healing process. 

I am leaning toward no longer practicing reiki and utilizing a more physical modality, sound, and or talk therapy. 



Life Coaching & Hypno-therapy, Are Life Coaching and Hypno-therapy beneficial or do they support the mcs as well? 
I personally feel life coaching and hypnotherapy are helpful tools if used to empower others in using self forgiveness, self honesty, and self corrective application-is this so?

Sound Healing, 
From forum discussions I've read it seems that sound healing is very helpful in the "healing" process as long as it is used to influence at a cellular level vs. being used to influence energy? 





For those that are interested in this topic of discussion I've pasted bellow a few links that have been very helpful to me in answering questions regarding healing modalities and energy. 


Questions and Perspectives: Energy and Mind 
http://desteni.co.za/Osho/qpenergyandmind.htm 


Energy Demon 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88F24Q8LGLs

Questions and Perspectives: Shamanism, Chakras and Pendulums

[http://desteni.co.za/Osho/qpshamanism.htm%20

Veno's%20Structural%20Resonance%20Documents http://desteni.co.za/Osho/qpshamanism.htm 

Veno's Structural Resonance Documents] http://desteni.org/a/veno-structural-resonance-part-1


Perspective

In any Therapy, as assistance for self as another, self as standing as the other as self, is the key, this starting point allow any therapy to be adjusted as is required.



Understand though, that healing without self realization is actually suppression and the illness will return more aggressively, as the medical industry is finding in the progression from bacteria to super bugs.


(Bernard Poolman)


Chakra/Medical Astrology

It is suggested to do specific forgiveness on archetypes in all forms.

 Archetypes are accepted patterns that forms groups of behaviors within the population and as such are polarized to separate.


Tarot

Question

I find myself deeply interested in the things I was afraid of. The Ouija Board had to be one of the top, but right next to it is tarot cards. I have researched the origins of tarot and realized how serious some people take it. I am by no means trying to build myself another "belief system", but I have come to the conclusion that "anything goes" and I find myself with the delightful choice of believing in whatever I so choose. If I am going to exist in this world, I might as well not deny myself of the "cheat codes" that this game/program offers.

So my question is this, should I really get into tarot and all the different types of interpretations. Or should I just take it for what it is (the pictures I see and the meanings I give it). I know that studying is just a process that is unnecessary if I would simply know that I know, however is there some advantage to "relearning" certain details of certain things. Not with the intention of carrying-on or recreating the tarot but with the intention of getting others to know who and what they are. 

I have no fear of tarot cards anymore, I used to fear certain cards and certain meanings but now I realize all cards are equal and my judgment of one over another points to places where I need to look at myself.


Perspective

Have tested the cards, as you have noticed, some have definitions that is of polarity. 

The only cards I found to work effectivly in self support, are those from Osho, where it gives a perspective and assists within self honesty.

Question

So do the definitions point to self-dishonesty or the cards themselves or both? Are tarot cards just a vague method of communicating with the dimensions?

Perspective

Tarot are a method to reveal self to self, Osho cards focus on self reflection.

Question

Meaning, the Osho zen tarot cards will only tell me about me as a system?

Perspective

Yes, only guidance as to self forgiveness and self honesty, I used it for: the zen one.

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